The EX version teleports to the opponent before performing the punch. The medium version goes a little further than the light version, but does the same amount of damage. It makes no sense for jiren to transcend time while having a timelimit to his battle but if you take a look at guys like Mr mxy who was stated to be 5d was beaten to a bloody pulp by superman prime but nobody mention those things when talking about mxy but they become factual as soon as they meet a DBZ character.Goku flies forward and strikes the opponent with an overhead punch. If a character truly transcended time and space then they wouldn't experience change and therefore are unusable in any battle.Įxactly my point.Comic and reality never go along together so the issue I have is not whether or not these feats apply to our reality, cause it doesn't, based on common sense alone however people usually have no issue accepting facts regarding marvel and dc but they start to be factual when it comes to DBZ. I also don't know how you're going to transcend the concepts of time and space while managing to be usable in logical argument. Or its just someone who transcendthe concept of time AND spaceĤD wouldn't mean anything for power unless it's infinite because energy, mass, power are all scalar quantities that are dimensionless. Isnt a 4D being a being that can destroy infinite 3D items like earth and stars?

Besides, why do you think Jiren cannot be 4d? you claim the statement is an outliner without providing any reason as to why you think that is? What is it that Jiren lacks that makes you state he can't be 4d?Īll these replies and nobody has even described what being '4-D' means. Since the source of the info is an incredibly credible character(Angel Vados) there is no reason for us to assume otherwise.

When it comes to statements in comics, what matters is the credibility of the character that made the statement. Its like saying you transcend the earth in a place without earth lmaoĬalling a character who isn't anywhere near omniversal for omnipotent is def an outliner however calling characters that have shown universal+ level feat 4d isn't a big stretch. Heres one:in tensura(slime) veldanava the god of the slime verse is stated to have lost omnipotent and omniscient by guy crimson but yuuki and rimuru is stronger than veldanava so its contradicting to say he is omnipotentĢ)jiren cant transcend time in a place.without time so its another contradiction Your reasoning as to why he isnt 4d just wasn't sufficient enough for us to assume he isnt since other characters stated to be 4d happen to have the same issue.ġ)using a statement from a character is a very bad choice because some of the statement are just outright impossible Quadrillion times SOL is dbh fan calculation and shouldnt be used in Dbs LMAO i forgot about that, its been awhile since i watched the DBS top.However It was explicitly stated that Jiren does indeed trancend time. Quadrillion times SOL is dbh fan calculation and shouldnt be used in Dbs btw

To add abit to that goku had trouble to use instant transmission in the fight against dyspo because he was 'too fast' so if goku>jiren>dyspo he wouldnt have trouble to use instant transmission or even the need for instant transmission +Everyone could still see Hit, Dyspo, and Goku's fight. +Everyone was moving and thinking normally, including the mortal ones. +There was even a timer in the tournament. outside of infinite speed though his speed would be around the quadrillion X SOL lowballed.Īnd don't forget about the 'Without Time and Space' part as well: To add a bit more than that, goku was using instant transmission during the tournament which was more than enough to dodge jirens attacks, if jiren truly transcended time he wouldn't of had trouble tagging goku before or after instant trans. Just to summarize:Įven if it was infinite, how can we even quantify how much power is needed to shake it? If there's 0 mass or volume in it to shake? Not to mention they even wank him off based on a feat where they claimed was him shaking infinity, when really, that was actually a mistranslation within the Kanji. He literally got caught in the time cage. It's just people wanking the statement that says: 'Jiren has power that transcends time itself' or something.

Goku using instant transmission